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Tundra
October 26th, 2006, 12:15 AM
I’ve decided to attempt to rethink this whole ‘religion on NiH’ issue.

At the moment, religion is pretty much banned from the forum, other than questions for characters or research in the Q&A thread.
I had several reasons for doing this- I have seen far too many forums be ‘overrun’ with religion, [mass amounts of hijackings of threads in the name of religion, constant religious moral imperialism, so many mentions of God that it becomes ridiculous, constant Witnessing, snide remarks, randomly inserting their religious beliefs in totally unneccessary places to prove I don't know what] and also it so quickly turns to insults on both sides.
I don't want that to happen here, and there have been instances where it has. It's a community forum, and I don't want people upsetting or offending each other, which I hope you can all understand. But I think many of you may prefer the option as to whether or not religion is discussed here.
There will be conditions to this though.

Religious threads may be made- but they cannot be anti or pro religious debates. By this I mean, you cannot start a thread on say, Islam, saying that Christianity is much better, here’s why. Or “This is why you should be a Christian”. Or “People who don’t believe in religion are totally wrong” or “people who do believe in religion are totally wrong”. If you’re unsure if your thread breaks this rule, please PM me to clarify.

Threads about your/forum member’s own personal beliefs must be treated carefully, Please remember not to insult other’s beliefs. We have to remember that on NiH, there are many different belief systems.

Please, do not Witness on NiH unless it is specifically asked for.

If a thread about religion is posted in the Q&A forum, particularly for characters – no unnecessary debate on it. For example, if someone asks about a form of Wicca, no one may come in and state that it’s against their beliefs. That is irrelevant.

No personal attacks (saying what you don’t or do like about a religion is fine, as long as it is your own opinion, and it is not aimed at anyone in particular, and does not come across as insulting), or conversion attempts. It is alright to acknowledge that people are different to you- perhaps you have questions. But please try not to imply that your beliefs are superior to theirs.

No use of religion for racist, sexist, or homophobic purposes, outside a religious beliefs related thread and even then, it must be about your personal beliefs, and not be used as an excuse to hurt or insult people, and no threads can be made specifically to be racist, sexist, or homophobic in the name of religion. I haven’t noticed any of this so far, but just a reminder.

No blatantly religious material in signatures or avatars. Mentions of God in a ‘secular’ way [eg "God, I hate school!"] are not to be considered ‘religious beliefs’, and are therefore excepted.

Religion stays in the thread that is made for it. So, no use of religion outside a religious beliefs related thread. An exception however may be in the 'why are you upset' thread, saying that you'll pray for a member, as long as it's the sort of thing that needs praying over. Bringing religion into a totally non religious based topic is not allowed.

NiH is still ‘secular’. Scientific or social discussions which don't directly involve religion are not to be treated as an insult to any religion, and therefore I don't want to see anyone’s religious opinions in there. These are not considered religious beliefs and may be discussed freely without fear of insulting other people. (unless it directly breaks another rule)




These rules are designed to protect both religious people and non religious people from persecution of their beliefs, and allow mature conversation about religion if we so choose. When a thread becomes abusive, and this goes for any thread about any topic, it will be locked or removed, the offending posts will be removed, or the people involved will be spoken to.
Something to note is that NiH is not a ‘debate’ forum anyway, so I am not expecting the drawingroom to be flooded with debates on anything, let alone religion.

Any questions or comments? Do you think you will be able to cope with these rules? I will be adding to them and clarifying over the next few days.

Please note that if the rules are not followed, I will make it a purely secular forum again.

Orion283
October 26th, 2006, 08:21 AM
So as long as I preface statements regarding my beliefs with 'this is what I believe but what you believe is up to you' it's cool?

Tundra
October 26th, 2006, 11:06 AM
As long as it's not deliberately designed to be hurtful, and if it's in an appropriate thread.

Tundra
October 31st, 2006, 11:24 AM
So, does it make sense?

Elski
October 31st, 2006, 11:58 AM
Yeah, seems to.

vindemiatrix
November 1st, 2006, 03:45 AM
Meh, works for me.

theNightingale
November 6th, 2006, 12:43 AM
Good call, Tundra. Now that you've laid the rules down we won't have to go around and around in any iffy thread again. :roll:

Tundra
November 6th, 2006, 09:13 AM
^ There will probably be some times where there are still iffy threads/comments.

Thin
November 6th, 2006, 09:53 PM
You should start by simply burning all the heretics, Tundra :)

theNightingale
November 7th, 2006, 04:40 AM
^ There will probably be some times where there are still iffy threads/comments.

True, but then there wouldn't be any indecision when someone reminded them to come here and check out the regulations. Lay down that law!

Gholam
February 1st, 2007, 03:20 PM
You should start by simply burning all the heretics, Tundra :)

Which of course means that Thin is first.

He drank all the beer at the pub last time. :(

Edit: This sounds like a good idea though.

uttercaptivation
February 7th, 2007, 04:52 PM
Hm.. well I do appreciate the attempt to protect both religious and non religious people..but one thing does bother. I do try to not push my beliefs on people in a negative or insulting way, most certainly..but the thing that bothers me is this..in personal chats, like say someone was just talking about..oh I don't know, a problem in their life, and say people were offering advice in one form or another, like "aww hun just stay positive" or like "you know when that sort of thing happened, I used to do thus and so" .. things like that. Would you consider, if I were to post what little help I could for them, my answering like "well I'll pray that you aren't so hurt and confused" or saying "well, when this happened to me, I turned to God. If this helps I am glad." ... would that sort of response from myself be considered against your rules? Because.. my faith is who I am.. I try not to be pushy but to not mention how I get through things at all would surely make me a hypocrite. Another thing that bothered me, and I don't mean to make a fuss I just want to know what your rules are in this particular way.. is that in my signature I have one of my favorite Bible verses. I don't consider it a slap.. it's just that that is what I like.. some may have a quote from a movie, I have a quote from the Bible. And though I believe it to be true..I'm not saying like "LOOK MORON YOU'RE WRONG" in just quoting the Bible. I am not saying it, looking like it or meaning it. You can see the signature for yourself..but since you seemed (you as in NIH Moderator, not you specifically) to be against any mention of God beyond a 'secular' way in a signature..well I can't be here.. because even though I'm not trying to push opinions..stating my own, or praising my Lord for something seems to not be accepted. Please respond, I'm more than willing to listen :) Perhaps I misunderstood? I just would like to know how I would be allowed to act here.. and if I am not allowed to mention God at all.. then this is not where I belong :(

Tundra
February 7th, 2007, 06:32 PM
It's also to protect people of *different* beliefs. As long as you're remembering that other people have other beliefs, and that they consider them valid, and you're not overdoing it with religion on NiH, you should be fine.

If you're saying that you'll pray for them not being hurt and confused, that's fine. That's sort of like saying "i'll keep you in my thoughts". I don't know anyone who would get insulted if someone is praying for them, even if they don't believe in prayer themselves, unless the 'I'll pray for you' was in an insulting way, like... judging. I've seen some people on other forums announce that they're gay, or that they slept with someone and they're not married, or... whatever, and someone responds with "I'll pray for you". Not meaning 'I'll pray that people accept you, that you're happy, that your relationship goes well' but... more, judging... and I wouldn't want that sort of thing on NiH. Not saying that you're going to, but I just thought I'd point it out.
Suggesting that they turn to god when that person is not religious though, can be seen as not respecting their own beliefs. Saying like "well last time I got depressed I went and talked to my priest/read the bible/prayed, is there something that you could do like that that'll help you work out your problems?", or just stating what you personally did, is different than just saying "When this happened to me, I turned to God, [you should do that too.]"

We've got some very diverse beliefs on this forum. And, it's not a forum to discuss religion.

You're allowed to mention God, (as long as it's not all the time) but please remember about the diversity, and respect other people's religious choices. I'm trying to keep religion in topics about religion, and secular things kept secular. I hope that's not insulting.

If your signature is not judging other people, and not preaching, then it should be fine, if you *really* want it.

I hope I'm making some sort of sense.

mcnicks
February 7th, 2007, 06:56 PM
My feeling is that everybody is entitled to their opinion, but the ability to express that opinion to such a wide audience (on the internet) is actually a privilege, not a right. This is the flip side of 'freedom of speech' where a larger audience actually infers a greater responsibility on the speaker. So I guess we all need to think about what we are about to say, tread softly, and make allowances for times when people will step out of line because we surely will too. That goes for Christians, athiests, radical anarchists and staunch conservatives alike.

uttercaptivation
February 8th, 2007, 04:11 AM
Thank you for responding, I will do my best to comply with ya'lls wishes, to the degree that my faith so enables me. :)

vindemiatrix
February 8th, 2007, 04:50 AM
So I guess we all need to think about what we are about to say, tread softly, and make allowances for times when people will step out of line because we surely will too. That goes for Christians, athiests, radical anarchists and staunch conservatives alike.

That may not have been a reference to me, but I like that you included it anyway. XD

Tundra
February 8th, 2007, 09:42 AM
Thank you for responding, I will do my best to comply with ya'lls wishes, to the degree that my faith so enables me. :)

Since this is mainly a forum about writing and creativity, religion doesn't actually come up very much anyway.

FreeeVerse
March 28th, 2007, 01:09 AM
Interesting thread... Considering that I can relate very much to uttercaptivation.

Tundra
March 28th, 2007, 01:18 AM
Sorry, this is how it will remain, for very good reasons to do with division of the forum, fights and insults.

FreeeVerse
March 28th, 2007, 01:24 AM
Nah, don't worry. I'm not going against your rules! (And my last post did not, in any way, imply that.) ;)

Krolyn
July 27th, 2009, 04:44 AM
So, am I allowed to post portions of my story (at appropriate times, say I wanted feedback on a particular chapter) if it has a Christian influences?

Orion283
July 27th, 2009, 05:39 AM
I think what Tundra is going for is to not get into religious debates on here and keep it to sharing ideas and advice. So to the suggested story chapter one could say it needs work because the characters are a bit clunky, or point out historical innacuracy if it's about religious practices with a certain group/place/time setup, but not okay to go about bashing one belief or another. You can be something without being anti-the-other-things-in-the-same-category.

Dwiesel McAllister
July 27th, 2009, 07:49 AM
^Ditto that.

Recently, I brought up the Vatican's recent approval of Harry Potter. A lot of people had questions about the previous position on the series, so, as a Catholic, I was able to elucidate exactly why the Church feels that way. It was just an explanation, and nothing more, no promotion or bashing of any particular religious views.

Explanations and such are perfectly welcome, as long as they're warranted. We are here to learn, after all!