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Locke
February 4th, 2010, 04:22 AM
No, I am not referring to an email that you can send to at least 10 other people to watch Jesus do a little dance.

See, I have this problem, in that if any crafty idea occurs to me for more than 5 minutes, it becomes a little bit of an obsession until I finally manage to try it. Recently, that idea has been chainmail. So, naturally, I've been doing a bit of research.

To put it basically, it goes like this. You start by winding some wire around a mandrel and then cutting it so that you have rings. Then you do it again, and again, until you have a nice pile of rings. The ratio of the wire gauge to the inner diameter of the ring is referred to as the "aspect ratio" of the rings, and is important to several patterns as with to wide of an aspect ratio and the rings won't stand right, and to narrow of one and you won't be able to fit the rings into one another as planned.

The pattern by which you link the rings together is called the "weave." The most commonly used weave is European 4-in-1, which uses a single ring size, so called because the weave is started by placing 4 rings inside a single ring, forming a square-like shape. To expand to any side, you attach those two rings to another single ring, and then keep going by attaching two more rings to it. Thus, each ring is attached to four others, hence the name. There are a few variations to this weave, but you can easily tell how they're made from the names themselves: European 6 in 1, 8 in 1, 10 in 1, and 12 in 1. Thus far, I haven't seen anybody try a 14 in 1, but the 12 in 1 is also called "Emperor's Maille." Then there are completely different weaves, such as Japanese, Byzantine, Dragonscale, etc.

European 4-in-1
http://www.dragonmaille.com/assets/images/chain_mesh.jpg

Weaves aren't limited to being a fabric, either. Obviously, you can make chains, either with the 2 in 1 pattern we commonly think of with the word "chain," or more complex weaves such as 4 in 2 or box (a 4-in-1 weave folded around itself). Then there's also what's called a "unit," which is a weave that stands by itself, mostly as an ornamental thing which can be attached to other things. Then, there's a whole smattering of dimensional weaves which allow you to make 3-d objects.

Box Chain
http://www.chainmailbasket.com/images/weaves/box_01.jpg

Triumvirate Unit
http://www.chainmailbasket.com/images/weaves/triumvirate_01.jpg

Thus far, my favorite source website has been Chainmail Basket (http://www.chainmailbasket.com/). Browse to your heart's content.

You can do some searching, but apparently, there's an adult fetish for chainmail, so like everything else on the internet, you may encounter porn. Take care if the boss is around the corner.

Does anybody on the forums weave chainmail? Share!

TwistedFirestarter
February 4th, 2010, 09:36 AM
What a crazy coincidence! I've gotten it in my head to make this (http://www.instructables.com/id/Genuine-chainmaille-from-pop-tabs/). Unfortunately, I don't drink nearly enough soda. ;-;

(Love the article and pictures though.)

Dwiesel McAllister
February 8th, 2010, 11:16 AM
You know, we do have a chainmailler here on NiH...her name's Druid Queen, and she's a friend of mine IRL. She joined about a year ago...I've been trying to get her to come back...

scarydoor
February 8th, 2010, 12:25 PM
This looks quite cool. I'd like to try it someday, when I have some free space of my own.

I had only really been aware of the 4 in 1 sort of style. Are the more dense patterns wearable? It looks like they'd get less flexible as they become more dense, but also more impenetrable. They would be used more by the more important players?

What are you thinking of making from it?

Locke
February 8th, 2010, 06:04 PM
Well, this is what I've managed thus far. The most immediate supplies have been from craft stores, and that in the form of a jump ring mandril. So, instead of making decent sized rings that are of sufficient quality to play with, I've made jump rings instead (7mm, to be exact) and a three-strand clasp. I'm drawing upon one of my other hobbies of jewelry-making (yes, I am the rare male of the beading species) to make a 6-in-1 strand, either of necklace length or bracelet length, just to see if I'd enjoy it.

AXJ
February 10th, 2010, 05:37 AM
Damn you. :p I don't need any more things to want to do!

Locke
February 10th, 2010, 05:52 AM
Hush, nearly birthday boy.

IrelandBrady
April 3rd, 2010, 03:44 AM
VERY interesting!

Locke
April 3rd, 2010, 03:54 AM
I actually wound up getting a cheap jump ring mandrel set and doing it with 20-gauge wire. The aspect ratio is freaking huge, which is good for flexibility. I made my wife a necklace with it, but it is VERY delicate. I'm going to turn the thing into a box chain to see if it holds up better, but the rings separate under the weight of the necklace as a whole. I'm going to have to find a way to reinforce it, either by weaving some wire through the rings or by converting it into a box chain or a 6-in-1. It takes a lot of patience.

IrelandBrady
April 3rd, 2010, 12:44 PM
The box chain is quite beautiful and would probably make a great necklace for your wife. Years ago I was at a show where this lady was crocheting silver necklaces, they were unique and very flexible. She taught me how, there at the show, but I never had the chance to advance on it ... still have the original copper wire thingy she made for me that day with the crocheted silver. With your love of jewelry and mail, maybe that would be something you could look into ... crocheted wire. Wonder if there is anything on the Net about how to crochet wire???? I'll have to check it out and let U know.

izuma
June 24th, 2010, 01:46 PM
This has been at the back of my head for a while but... what's the difference between a ringmail and a chainmail???

Locke
June 24th, 2010, 03:36 PM
Ringmail is not interlinked rings. Instead, each ring is sewn onto fabric.

izuma
June 24th, 2010, 11:31 PM
SO basically it's a tunic with rings on it then???

alcar
June 25th, 2010, 01:07 AM
"I made it from promise rings and a couple of engagement rings."

MichaelB
June 25th, 2010, 09:49 AM
So the distinction is, ringmail is individual rings, and chimnmail is when those rings are linked into a chain? Makes sense. I honestly didn't know about ringmail, actually.

Locke
June 26th, 2010, 02:43 AM
Yes, effectively, but they often used leather or more durable fabrics than broadcloth because, well, they expected people to be flinging swords against them. The rings in ringmail are not interlinked. The rings in chainmail are. The more rings per link, the tougher the chainmail. So, you can imagine how heavy and durable an imperial (12-in-1, each connecting ring has 12 rings connected to it) weave is.

izuma
June 29th, 2010, 08:57 AM
How close can you weave the chains together???

Locke
June 29th, 2010, 09:56 AM
Well, that varies depending on the weave and the gauge. If the wire is thicker or the rings are smaller (what they call an aspect ratio), then there's less room to play with. A European 12-in-1 tends to be a pretty tight fit and I'd imagine it to be quite heavy as well. It all depends on your purpose. For armor, you want thicker rings and a less complicated weave so that it's easy to repair in the field. For something dressier or more impressive, you want thinner rings so that the weave can be more complicated, involving more rings, without being too heavy. The problem I ran into when I experimented with this was that the material I used wasn't strong enough to support the weight of the entire strand. So, it falls apart with little effort.

When I decided to research this, I did find instances where some smiths decided to make a huge ball of rings just in order to answer the question. Some of the balls they showed were 100 interlinked rings!

Tundra
January 14th, 2011, 10:44 AM
Old thread is old, but I've got a chain maille making kit! :D I now need to get some pliers to make them with.

t89
January 15th, 2011, 12:38 PM
I've only just seen this post. I noticed the pictures and they're very cool.
WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR KIT FROM!

Tundra
January 15th, 2011, 12:40 PM
I got my kit from www.etsy.com :) Just search for chain mail kit (or chainmaille kit). I've got one for a keyring but there were ones for earrings, necklaces, bracelets, etc.

t89
January 15th, 2011, 12:43 PM
Thanks! I'll definately be making jewlery from this